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Gib nicht den Mitwirkenden die Schuld, sondern komm und hilf ihnen. 😎


Bericht über die Lore-Nacht vom 13. August 2021,[1]
animiert von Namcha.
Hauptthema: Geographie and Astronomie



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       Auf Einladung von Namcha (Lore-Team), trafen sich am Abend des 13. August 2021 mehrere Spieler im Forschungszentrum von Thesos, um mehr über Atys und seinen Himmel zu erfahren.


Die Entfernungen

    m Spiel zeigt der Kompass an, wie weit Ihr Charakter von einer Kreatur oder einem Charakter entfernt ist, den Sie anvisieren. Er zeigt auch die Entfernung zu einem Ort auf Atys an, wenn Sie auf der angezeigten Karte (Taste M) auf den Wimpel klicken, der den Ort markiert. In diesem Fall ist die Entfernung jedoch falsch. Bei größeren Entfernungen (über die maximale Entfernung hinaus, die ein direktes Zielen erlaubt) ist der Kompass unrealistisch: Die Neuen Länder sind doch etwas größer, als sie aussehen!

    Die tatsächliche Entfernung, z. B. zwischen zwei Städten, muss aus der atysianischen Zeit berechnet werden, die Ihr Charakter benötigt, um sie tatsächlich in einer geraden Linie zu durchqueren, wobei diese Zeit mithilfe der Uhr auf der Karte berechnet werden kann. Wenn Sie die auf dem Kompass angezeigte Entfernung mit 20 multiplizieren, erhalten Sie eine gute Annäherung an die tatsächliche Entfernung innerhalb eines Landes (Land = durch Wurmlöcher begrenztes Gebiet), aber nicht zwischen Ländern.

    Die Neuen Länder umfassen eine Fläche von etwa 120.000 km² (ein Quadrat mit einer Seitenlänge von 300 bis 350 km), was ziemlich klein ist, viel kleiner als die Alten Länder. Zur Erinnerung: Das sogenannte Neue Land ist die Gesamtheit der Länder, die auf den Karten im Spiel abgebildet sind und die die Homins nach dem Großen Schwarm betreten haben. Von den Alten Ländern, die nicht kartografiert sind, wissen sie nur, was in den Texten über sie steht;

    Aber kommen wir zurück zur Frage, ob man den Kompass verwenden kann, um die Entfernung zwischen Ländern zu bestimmen.
Mit dem Kompass kann man tatsächlich das lustige Spiel spielen, Positionen zu triangulieren, um eine "Serverkarte" zu erhalten, die sich stark von der Karte unterscheidet, die man im Spiel sehen kann. Allerdings ist diese Karte für die Geschichte maßgeblich: Die "Serverkarte" ist nur eine Computerkarte. Oder wenn sie eine Bedeutung hatte, dann ist sie von den Entwicklern, die nacheinander an Ryzom gearbeitet haben, schon lange verloren gegangen.


F: Also sind die Länder auf der Karte korrekt platziert?
A: Ja, das ist richtig. Allerdings ist die Karte eine "Splitter"-Ansicht, wie eine Orangenschale, die man geöffnet hat, die es ermöglicht, auch die Länder unter der Rinde, die Urwurzeln, die unter den Neuen Ländern liegen, anzuzeigen.
F: Du sprichst von einem Quadrat mit einer Seitenlänge von 300 bis 350 km, aber der Nordrand der Wüste scheint nur 80 km lang zu sein. Es gibt also eine große Distanz, die von den Wurmlöchern „versteckt“ wird?
A: Ja, und auch einige umliegende Gebiete, wie die alten Anfängerinseln, Ihre Gildeninseln, etc. All das ist „um die Ecke“.
F: Okay, die Länder sind nicht wirklich aneinandergeklebt. Es gibt eine Art Pufferzone, was?
A: Die Wurmlöcher lassen einen einen kleinen Sprung machen, ja. Aber nicht Hunderte von Kilometern.
F: Also ist es vom südwestlichen Teil der Wüste bis zum Verdorrende Lande nicht so weit?
A: Nein. Man könnte sogar sagen, dass die Neuen Länder im globalen Maßstab in einem Taschentuch liegen.
F: Bedeutet das, dass es um die bekannten Länder herum noch unerforschte Länder gibt?
A: Ja, sogar sehr viel. Es ist jedoch normal, dass Homins nicht zu weit in die Ferne schweifen.
F: Aber... sind der Almati-Wald, der Nexus und Silan Teil der Neuen Länder?
A: Ja, obwohl ich weiß, dass es bei einigen von ihnen Gerüchte gibt, die das Gegenteil besagen, da die Mächte den Homins gesagt haben, dass sie Teil der Alten Länder sind. Diese Orte wurden tatsächlich während des Tempelkriegs von den Mächten "geöffnet"..

Astronomie

    If the sky is not at all coherent in game, the celestial objects that we see there do exist in history. There are four of them and, since night has just fallen, I will review them before describing their interactions.

― Let's look to the east. A nebula is rising there, it will soon be at its zenith. This celestial body is the star of the Atysian system, its center. It is a sun then, but which radiates very little in the visible spectrum. Moreover, it is veiled by a cloud of celestial dust.

― To the north, we have a magnificent planet with a ring. It is a gas giant, it revolves around the star (normally). And Atys is a satellite of this gas giant that the gaming community has named “Sagaritis”.

― To the southwest, we see a “red moon”. It is moving southwards (I remind you that the movements in game are completely wrong). It orbits Sagaritis, like Atys, but with a more elliptical orbit. It is always full and it emits its own light, weak.

― Last of the list of four, the one that does not move, in the east. It is the only star that is "correct" in game: indeed, it should not move.It is the star that makes the day, the “luminary”. It is a satellite of Atys, geostationary. And, as scholars know, in the Ancient Lands, this star is at the zenith, upright.


F: There is one thing I don't understand. If it is geostationary and makes the day, shouldn't night never fall?
A: No. Because it pulses. It turns on, it turns off. During the night we see the afterglow.


    Atys, I said, is a satellite of Sagaritis, the gas giant planet with its ring. Atys always presents the same face to Sagaritis (it is called "synchronous rotation", like that of the Moon around the Earth). It goes around Sagaritis in one cycle, the Atysian cycle.


F: Does this mean that in some places on Atys, neither Sagaritis nor the pulsar can be seen? So it is always dark there?
A: So... it's true that we could be on the wrong side of Atys and not see Sagaritis at all. And if we went far, far westward, yes, we would end up seeing the luminary no more. But... maybe something is planned to solve this problem!
F: The Karavan is from another planet than Atys, but is this planet in the Atysian system?
A: No, the Karavan myth says that she comes from another world. This is why humans have the concept that there are "other worlds". The word "planet" is also part of the myth.


    When the game was designed, the celestial bodies did not have names. You could almost say that they were there just to look pretty. As I said, the community named the gas giant Sagaritis (mnemonic: SAGA of RYzom, aTYS). This name, since "officially" adopted, refers to an Earth legend, of the Phrygian people (antique occupant of the present Turkey). Sagaritis is mentioned in the chronicle titled Chrysalis, which tells of the escape of Yrkanis from Jino. It was also mentioned by the player Dalcini Civallo in one of his poems. Both texts refer to the terrian legend, with nuances. That's why, to stay in this legendary reference, I propose the name of “Cybele”, or Cybel (masculine or feminine, you decide, both are acceptable) for the nebula. The legend says, roughly, that Atys is son of Cybele, and Sagaritis his lover (in Chrysalis, the genders are reversed), which carries a secret meaning for the story of the game.

    And what makes the seasons on Atys, it is indeed the nebula, or Cybele. In fact Atys goes around Sagaritis, and Sagaritis goes around Cybele. For half a cycle, one should not see Cybele. When she rises, spring begins. Most of Cybele's radiation is not in the visible spectrum, but it contains enough energy to create, in addition to the luminary's, the seasons on Atys.


Q : Is it the one who brings heat then?
A : No. It is mainly the luminary that brings heat and light to the planet, Cybele's radiation is added to it when it is visible, that is to say present in the sky of the New Lands.
Astronomy by Nahwa

    On the other hand, the light that Sagaritis sends back to us is that of Cybele. There would be a lot to say about the appearance of Sagaritis! It should be a show in its own right, throughout a cycle. It should be fixed in the sky, I already said it, but it has nothing to do in the north. The homins don't really know it, but the habitable lands, Old and New, are on the equator of Atys, at least its "equatorial belt" (don't rely too much on the image representing the planet here and there: it's an "artist's view", not a satellite photo).

    Sagaritis would, if it were "correct" in game, be positioned to the west, a little higher on the horizon and, as we are in the equatorial belt of Atys, we would see its rings vertical (more or less, since Atys is not exactly in the equatorial plane of Sagaritis). So during one half of Atys' turn around Sagaritis, we would see one side of the rings, during the other half the other side, and at each half-period, their edge..


F: This also depends on the inclination of Atys with respect to its orbital plane, right?
A: Yes, the latter is about 20°.


    Sagaritis, like the Moon seen from the Earth, should also have its phases: full, dark, rising, falling, etc. In the night zone, one would often see flashes of lightning and at the poles, huge aurora borealis. In the illuminated zone of Sagaritis we would see curling and unwinding wisps (similar to the one we see on the surface of Jupiter and Saturn... as long as we get close to them). Its rings would always shine, whether it is black or not, but sometimes a part of it would be hidden by the shadow of its mass. Conversely, the shadow of the rings would sometimes be projected on Sagaritis. Finally, as Cybele could pass behind Sagaritis, one would sometimes observe an eclipse.

    To continue the comparison with our solar system, I specify that Atys, satellite of Sagaritis, is of a size similar to Mars and has a gravity slightly lower than 1G.


F: Does this mean that the proportion of hidden territory is huge?
A: Yes. *smile* That leaves room for lots of creation!
F: Ah, how about that! Have our homins have any idea of sa taille ?
A: No, the homins don't think it's that big. On the other hand, Oflovak did achieve some things.
F: Are homins able to measure great distances with precision?
A: Yes, thanks to the fixed stars. But especially the distances along the parallels. For medium distances, it is more difficult, because the observable displacement of the star is not sufficient.


   The “Red Moon”, as for it, is also called “Amber Moon”, or “Karavan Moon”, “Kami Moon”, “Tryton Moon”. It is always full (no phases) and its size is variable. If it were "correct" in game, it would only be visible at night for three quarters of each cycle, since for the remaining quarter it would be positioned above the other side of Atys.


F: It's moving away and getting closer?
A: Yes.
F: Does it have a particular orbit?
A: It is in the same plane as Atys, but different from it.
F: More elliptical?
A: Yes, and there's a kind of chase between the two.
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    I'm not going to tell you exactly what the nature of this celestial body is. Just know that it is neither rock nor ice. In fact its mass is very low compared to that of Atys. Perhaps the trytonists would know another name for it. A name that would sound like “Ryzom”. But I'm starting to talk too much...


F: You still need to explain how it radiates its own light.
A: There is a kind of energy that emanates from it, but not enough to be seen by day.
F: Oh OK: it's always there, even in daylight, but then not bright enough to be seen?
A: Yes, except when it is behind Atys. During a cycle, it rises and sets. But when it is at the zenith, it seems for several months to move in slow motion, it is very strange!


    To finish with astronomy, a word about the starlit sky. If it were "correctly represented" in game, it would not rotate during the night, but much more slowly, on a cycle. In addition to shooting stars, we would sometimes see bright objects moving quickly and flashing.


F: When I look at the moon, there seems to be a light shining directly below it... does anyone know what it is? Do we know the source?
A: No. I think it's like a not quite properly realized effect. In fact it's a mistake: the light on Atys comes from the horizon like on Earth. In the same way, when the day comes, the light should not come from the horizon but from the luminary whose brightness increases progressively.

The Canopy

    I would now like to go down a notch in altitude and say a few words about the Canopy. Its branches run between 1 and 2 kilometers in altitude and are between 200 and 500 meters thick. If we were to stick to the "artist's view" of the planet mentioned above, they would be at least 300 km thick! It would be night below.


F: Have homins ever been on the Canopy?
A: Climbing the start of a Canopy root would be possible in principle, if it is not too steep. But, assuming one reaches the top of the Canopy, there would be health complications!

The surface of Atys

    To represent the surface of Atys, imagine the same thing as the Canopy, but placed on the ground. It is made of compartments, and these compartments draw like a map of the game.


F: Is the “ground” of Atys roots? Or is it something between roots? And if so, what is it?
A: The subsoil of Atys is composed of many layers of roots on top of each other.
F: So the roots form the edges and bottoms of kind of compartments?
A: Yes, and each compartment fills with debris. And the last layer is at the top: that' s the canopy.
F: We are on a root mat with sawdust between the roots to give an illusion of continuity?
A: Yes. But in the Old Lands there are larger compartments. The New Lands, around the Nexus, is special.
F: What do you mean? What's so special about it?
A: The fact of having several different biotopes in a very small area, and small extents.
F: The plants we see on Atys, are they epiphytes of these roots that form the compartments or are they connected to them?
A: They are epiphytes except for the crolices (which are indeed connected to them).
F: Why has no explorer tried to see what lies beyond the horizon? Beyond the cliffs? Fear of not being able to be relieved by the Powers?
A: Yes, because the New Lands are an El Dorado, since the Powers offer there resurrection for all. This was not the case in the Old Lands, before the Great Swarming.
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The years of Jena (JY)

    As you know, in the calendar we have cycles, and Jena years and there is an equivalence between the Jena year and the earth year. But not only: in fact, to say more, the current date 2614, is indeed the future of our 2021.


F: Atys is the future of the Earth ! Did I understand correctly?
A: The story is set in the future of the Earth, yes. But that doesn't mean that Atys is the Earth. That's why the fantasy approach of Ryzom hides a SF reality.



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